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Melvin E. Belding
January 1, 2013
A Call to Arms about Arms
The Editorial by Laine, et al calling for an active response from the ACP members and fellows is certainly appropriate. The fear of the NRA and gun lobby by academic and public health physicians driven by concern over research support is sad but understandable. Perhaps those of us now retired or in positions shielded from threats of sanctions should lead the charge. What better way to finish a career in medicine than to help lead a well thought out, self funded campaign that can possibly push the politicians to enact some sensible gun control measures? The frequency and ferocity of shootings screams at us yet we live in a country in which several states have laws that step directly into the exam room and block conversations about gun ownership in the name of patient confidentiality. Such laws have penalties that include fines or even loss of license. It is time to get angry and get even with this idiocy.
Leslie Vensel, MD, FACP
Massachusetts General Hospital
The Most Important New Year's Resolution
Thank you for starting New Years day with such a laudable resolution. In the wake of the shootings in Newtown, CT now is the time for physicians to push forward and take a lead in the discussion of how to limit gun violence. The country is finally ready to have that conversation again and we need enduring gun and ammunition laws in order to curb the huge number of gun related deaths. The debate in the United States is emotional, political and financial but as physicians we can use evidence and reason to steer meaningful change before more tragedies occur.
re editorial against guns
ACP has no business advocating for gun control. This makes as much sense as advocating for spoon or fork control in the battle against obesity which you should know kills and maims more people in this country every year. What about advocating against swimming pools? Ever check to see how many people are killed by swimming pools? Do you know any more painful horrific death than SLOWLY suffocating knowing full well you are dying?
James Webster MS, MS, MACP
Prof. of Medicine, Feinberg School of Medicine of Northwestern University
January 2, 2013
Guns and Docs
Right on! Guns result 30,000 potentially preventable American deaths a year (11,000 homicides and 19,000 suicides). This is clearly a major public health issue and should be a priority for ACP. How about an ad hoc task for to collaborate with other professional organizations sucjh as pediatricians, trauma surgeons and emergency physicians for starters?
I am the immediate past President of the Chicago Board of Health (Chicago is unfortunately an epicenter of the homicide epidemic) but, even before I took that position I was an advocate for gun control having seen first hand too many gun related tragedies. I hereby happily volunteer to work on any ACP iniatives, locally or nationally, to change the playng (killing) field. It is incomrehensible to think that any physician would not believe that this is a time for action to save lives.
James Webster MD,MS, MACPPS: If more guns make us safer, as the NRA claims, with 300,000,000 guns the US should already be the safest place in the galaxy.
Cedar Medical Clinic
gun control folly
It is folly to try and control something that is not controllable. Human nature is the problem. More laws will not prevent gun-violence in this country (in the same way more laws have not reduced the drug problem and in the same way that anti-smoking legislation has not prevented teens from smoking and so on). The violent crimes that occur in this country are far deeper than putting pen to paper and making it illegal to own an assault weapon or other gun. Advocating for physical exams to own a gun or stricter gun laws will only lead to law abiding citizens doing what they are supposed to in order to wield their constitutional rights. Do you actually think that criminals will come for an exam to own a gun especially when their gun might be illegal in the first place? Do you think that a mentally ill person will actually submit to logical and sane protocols in order to own a weapon. While we are at it, maybe we should make war illegal or have our politicians get an exam before they can declare war. Again, the problem is far deeper than a new law or other protocol to reduce the number of deaths caused by firearms. To legislate against human nature is folly. What we need to look at is what is the best antidote to human nature? I don't think we will find the answer in our exam rooms or medical conferences. We need to look elsewhere.
Kent R. Corral,M.D.
January 7, 2013
Sometimes it is difficult to sort through our responsibilities as citizens and those as physicians. The writings of the early founding fathers are often interpreted that the militia were the arms bearing citizens. As well many of the founding fathers believed that gun ownership was necessary to thwart tyranny. I agree. The greatest mass murderers in history (Mao,Stalin,Hitler) turned the armed power of the terroist state against unarmed citizens. That is the fear that drives many thoughtful citizens to oppose limitations on gun ownership. The citizenry needs to be armed to the extent that the government fears them. Kent R, Corral,M.D.
David Nichols, MD
Castleview Hospital, Price, Utah
January 5, 2013
Immediate Action Plan for Combating Gun Violence
Thank you for allowing me to voice my ideas for combating gun violence: (1) Limit children’s access to violent movies and video games. Go “TV/Video free” for a week or two with our kids and play ball, games, or go target shooting instead. Ask about home viewing habits. Do parents know what kids are watching? How about formal registration, non-transferability, and a $200 tax stamp for the truly gruesome movies and videos that glorify gratuitous violence and teach our kids to kill? (2) Advocate for gun safety. It’s not my business to know if my patients own guns, but I can advocate for keeping firearms locked up (with ammo, ready for immediate use if needed) and readily available in a GunVault or similar device. Teach kids about guns and gun safety at an early age. Take kids shooting. Teach them to respect firearms and to understand there is no “reset button.” (3) Want to follow evidence-based data? Looks like “Gun Free Zones” are free fire zones that kill helpless Americans. Let’s advocate to get rid of them. Concealed carry seems to correlate with less violent crime. Physicians are already vetted (we are the good guys), used to making life or death decisions, and know exactly where to shoot mass murderers to make them stop. Willing and motivated physicians should purchase a sturdy handgun, get their permit, take some training, then grab their stethoscopes and go to work knowing that they are making their little slice of this world a little safer. (4) Our kids trust us to keep them safe. So far, we have dishonored that trust, allowing senseless slaughter that could have been stopped, or at least limited, by teachers, school employees, parents, or volunteers willing to be armed and trained. So far in Utah we aren’t planning to confiscate guns from their legal owners; instead we are training teachers by the hundreds to protect our kids. Let’s see how this works.
W. Steven Mark, M.D.
Gun Control Advocacy
The ACP has no business getting involved in the political issue of gun control. How about advocating for better mental health initiatives that would assure that mentally impaired individuals do not get access to guns. There are plenty of gun controls already in place.
Albert Fuchs, MD FACP
January 4, 2013
The link between firearms and violent crime is not clear
To the ideologue who has already made up his mind about firearms, discussion is futile. To the open-minded reader I suggest the following article in Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy: “Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide?” It is as neutral a review of the available data I’ve seen. http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
I joined the ACP and was proud to become a Fellow because of the ACP’s commitment to excellence in medical practice and lifelong education. If the ACP’s leadership decide instead to make it a tool for policy advocacy, especially for policy based on ideology rather than science, I will sadly reconsider my membership.
Ron Vallejo, MD
January 9, 2013
How come the medical profession, the AMA, the government, and etc., have not proposed a ban on alcohol, sugar, fat, and smoking? Alcohol-related illnesses, diabetes, cardiovascular diseases, and lung CA have claimed more lives than guns. What about improving access to psychiatric care? Before getting involved in the politics of gun control, ACP should address problems in our own backyard first. Gun laws only affect law-abiding citizens, not criminals. The rights of law abiding citizens should be protected.
James F Bush MD, FACP
January 8, 2013
We need to improve Mental Health
There are few other topics that arouse such immediate and visceral reactions as the mention of gun control. Two sides polarize and do not listen to each other. Yet in this editorial there is in passing reference made to the issue of mental health, and I think that is the discussion that we as Physicians should be leading. There are 3 instances of people being killed by firearms (excluding suicide)1) Accidental- even the NRA tries to promote improved gun safety, safe storage of firearms, proper training, etc.2) Criminal - Here the data is very interesting, according to UNODC data there is no good correlation between the numbers of guns in a country and the Homicide by firearm rates. If there was a direct correlation between the presence of firearms and murder one would expect the US to lead the list and we are far from the top. Even within our country there is no correlation between numbers of firearms and murder by guns. Again according to the UNODC , we range from a high firearms murder rate of 24/100,000 to a low of 0.8/100,000. As one examines the list of States it is clear there is no correlation to the numbers of firearms in each State to the murder rate. Indeed the states with the more stringent gun control seem to have higher murder rates. As physicians we would not accept any medical hypothesis that shows no correlation. 3) Mental health- Each of these recent tragedies not only involved a gun, but a seriously disturbed person with Mental Illness. As health professionals it is our duty to point out the challenges we face rendering appropriate treatment and safeguarding society. The delicate balance between civil rights and protecting the public must be weighed, but at this time, as the Aurora, CO shooting showed the ability to proactively safeguard the public is handicapped by our current rules and laws regarding privacy. The Newtown case shows the challenges in placing people for treatment even with family support. These are legitimate areas for a professional Society to address, and these must be addressed. Gun control laws are outside the mandate of the ACP, and because of everyone's strong passions it would divide the College. I strongly urge us to focus on the medical aspects of these tragedies , an area where there is not enough discussion, and try to create something positive- better care for the patient and more protection for Society.
Christopher J. Matt, MD
thank you for making the decision NOT to renew my membership to this organizaiton an easy one. I was honestly logging in to may my dues for the year when this article popped up in my face. I guess there no longer exists a politic neutral organization that strictly lobbies for the medical profession. Where were you when we needed you. Continue to be a lapdog of the administration and you will go the way of the AMA. Oh, BTW, you got it, I just put my dues money in the coffer of the NRA. Good Day.
Jeffrey Johnson MD
Long time ACP member
February 16, 2013
Distortions and Misleading Information
The ACP has seriously overstepped it's bounds in advocating gun control. It tries to support it's point of view with statistics that are misrepresented and distorted. In the first place, the Bill of Rights guarantees the right to bear arms. It intentionally says nothing about what arms one can bear. When written, the ex-british colonists were better armed and mostly had better quality and more modern weapons than the military. Is there a problem with violence in our society? Of course there is. Gun control is not the answer. The Sandy Hook massacre could have been ameliorated or averted if school employees were able to be armed or an armed guard was present in the school. Look, for example, at the mall shooting in Oregon near the same time. The injury and death there was much reduced because of a responsible gun carrying citizen exerting his second amendment rights. There are plenty of examples to show that gun control does not reduce gun violence. Numbers of shootings involving rifles including semi-automatic military style rifles (so called assault weapon) did not go down during the Clinton era Assault Weapon Ban. In fact, FBI statistics show shootings with rifles have dropped since that ban expired. Another statistic often quoted is how many shootings there are each year. Most authors do not include the fact that almost all of those are shootings are by Law Enforcement Officers in the course of their duty.Should we have better mental health care and screening? Of course. Should we encourage safe use and storage of guns. Absolutely! Should we enforce existing penalties for misusing firearms? By all means. But history has shown over and over that gun control doesn't reduce gun violence. Creating gun free zones just allows a person with the intent to injure or kill others an unarmed group of targets in a killing zone. Just ask yourself what difference could a responsible and trained gun carrying individual have made at the Ft. Hood shootings, the Virginia Tech shootings, or Sandy Hook? All of those gun free zones just kept the good people from carrying guns. It didn't stop those with evil or misguided ambitions from carrying out their deadly missions.The ACP should concentrate on better educating people about guns, on identifying and treating those with violent mental illnesses, and on investigating and mitigating the causes of violence; not on unconstitutionally eliminating the tools people use to perform those acts in what has been shown to be ineffective in the past. I will not continue to support an organization that stands for tearing down my constitutionally given and my God given freedoms. If the ACP continues down this misguided path of advocating the ban of certain kinds of weapons or magazines I will have no choice but to leave the organization and continue to fight against that point of view from outside the organization.
E. Michael Lewiecki, MD, FACP
New Mexico Clinical Research & Osteoporosis Center, Albuquerque, New Mexico
April 5, 2013
Physicians, Guns, and Suicide
TO THE EDITOR: The editorial by Laine and colleagues (1) challenges physicians to take an active role in reducing gun violence. The message is both timely, in the light of recent horrendous mass murders, and long overdue, given that the scourge of gun violence has been well recognized for many years. Deaths, injuries, and the psychological aftermath of gun violence comprise a major public health concern in the US. As such, physicians have a right and a duty to intervene in guiding public policy and establishing meaningful regulations to reduce gun violence.
An understanding of all components of gun violence is the first step toward developing solutions that work. Mass murders, as we have witnessed all too often in recent years, represent the small tip of a very large iceberg. Below the water and largely absent from the scrutiny of the national news media are single victim murders, accidental deaths with guns kept for “protection,” and suicides. Guns are the means of far more suicides than murders. Efforts to limit the availability of assault weapons and establish a requirement for universal background checks are welcome steps in the right direction, yet would do little to prevent suicides and many other common forms of gun violence. Most suicides are impulsive acts by vulnerable individuals, often carried out within minutes or hours of the first thought of suicide (2). A suicide attempt with a gun is far more likely to be lethal than alternative means, such as drug overdose.
There is strong empiric evidence that limiting access to highly lethal means of suicide reduces suicides, not just by that means, but overall suicides as well (3). Death is not the inevitable outcome of one who survives a suicide attempt. In fact, the vast majority of suicide attempters do not later die by suicide (4). Simple measures to reduce suicides and other crimes of passion include a waiting period for purchasing guns, especially handguns, and safe gun storage in the home. A waiting period provides time for passions to cool and impulses to pass, saving lives for those who do not already have a gun. Safe gun storage can prevent non-gun owners in the household from having immediate access to a gun. Physicians can and should be leading efforts to reduce all forms of gun violence, including suicide (5).
1. Laine C, Taichman DB, Mulrow C, Berkwits M, Cotton D, Williams SV. A Resolution for Physicians: Time to Focus on the Public Health Threat of Gun Violence. Ann Intern Med 2013; 158(6):493-494.
2. Deisenhammer EA, Ing CM, Strauss R, Kemmler G, Hinterhuber H, Weiss EM. The duration of the suicidal process: how much time is left for intervention between consideration and accomplishment of a suicide attempt? J Clin Psychiatry 2009; 70(1):19-24.
3. Florentine JB, Crane C. Suicide prevention by limiting access to methods: a review of theory and practice. Soc Sci Med 2010; 70(10):1626-1632.
4. Owens D, Horrocks J, House A. Fatal and non-fatal repetition of self-harm. Systematic review. Br J Psychiatry 2002; 181:193-199. 5. Lewiecki EM, Miller SA. Suicide, guns, and public policy. Am J Public Health 2013; 103(1):27-31.
E. Lee Murray, MD
West Tennessee Neuroscience and Spine
April 16, 2013
Physicians and gun control...not the correct combination
I read the Laine et al. editorial (1) with great interest; however, was disappointed a well respected scientific journal is taking a polarizing stand on such a divisive political issue—gun control. While the recent massacres have torn the hearts of all people across this country and around the world, this is not a reason to push physicians to participate in gun control.
One argument made by the editorial is reducing the number of guns will lead to a decline in murder and suicide rates. While commonsense reasoning would seem to validate this argument, it simply isn’t true. A study published in the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy (2) found that basic socio-cultural and economic factors contribute to murder rates, not the availability of a particular weapon. There is no correlation between counties with strict gun control laws and those with low violent crime rates. The study also showed countries with high crime rates that ban guns end up with strict gun laws and continued high crime. Countries with low crime rates and who don’t have restrictive gun laws continued to have low violence rates.
Another argument proposed by the government this that physicians should be ‘gatekeepers’ to screen patients for mental illness then reporting them to a federal agency (3), thus preventing these individuals from purchasing guns or confiscating their current firearms. I argue this will actually harm over all public health. If patients perceive their physician is a ‘snitch’, this will violate the unique confidential relationship a patient has with their physician and will lead a patient to think twice about coming to the clinic for treatment of their preventable/treatable diseases and cancer screenings out of fear they may lose their guns. Practicing medicine is already difficult enough with burdensome regulations and cuts in reimbursement. The last thing we need is more government intrusion into our examination rooms dictating what we ask our patients.
While something needs to be done to curb violence, sharply restricting gun ownership will not achieve this. Man has been killing man since the beginning of time. We need to address the core reasons why murder and violence occur in the first place and not become so focused on a single avenue people use to carry out violence. Using physicians to push a largely political argument diminishes our ability to practice medicine in the most objective and evidence based manner.
E. Lee Murray, MD
West Tennessee Neuroscience, Jackson, TN
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James Webster, MD, MS, MACP
Professor of Medicine Emeritus, Feinberg School of Medicine of Northwestern University
June 7, 2013
To the Editor: I was both saddened and depressed by the tone and inappropriate use of statistics in some of the letters (1) that responded to the editorial by Laine et al. (2). To begin; the vast majority of studies show that lax gun regulations do correlate quite positively with the number of gun related deaths. The 10 states with the highest murder rates per 100,000 residents all have minimal or virtually no gun regulation (3). Incidentally, according to the CDC, Wyoming had 92 gun deaths in 2010 16.3/100,000 residents (4), not the 5 reported (1). Even more to the point, on average, 196 individuals are shot each day in the U.S. and survive, many with lasting physical and emotional wounds. Eighty-six more will die from guns, 51 of these are suicides, many impulsively successful because of an easily available firearm (5). These daily recurring numbers are the awful reality that overshadows even the horrific mass shootings, which are a byproduct of a culture of violence and the ready access to guns by those who clearly should not have them.
The mortality and morbidity of gun violence certainly qualifies as a public health problem that demands relief. We should make no mistake; the vector of this epidemic is the handgun. Legislation that keeps guns away from criminals and those with serious mental health issues will contribute to solutions, even ‘tho such measures will not be a “magic bullet”. On a day to day basis individual physicians can also be active in solving this problem. For example: by assuring that guns and seriously depressed individuals are not under the same roof (The weapons can be stored with the local police or at the home of a friend with a locked gun cabinet). They can also identify and arrange for or mandate help for those they identify as being dangers to themselves or others. Rather than making us “snitches” this is part of our duty to society as physicians.
1. Bush JF, Johnson J, Murray EL. (letters) Is it time for physicians to focus on the public health threat of gun violence? Ann Intern Med. 2013;158:850-852.
2.Laine C. Taichman DB, Berkowitz M, et al. A resolution for physicians; Time to focus on the public health threat of gun violence, Ann Intern Med. 2013;158:493-494
3. Gerney A, Parsons C, Posner C. America under the gun: A 50 state analysis of gun vio9lence and its link to weak state gun laws. Center for American Progress Report, April 2013. Accessed at: www.Americanprogress.org. Washington, DC
4. Ibid. Page 7, table 2
5. The gun rampage next time. New York Times, 6/1/13 Page 16A
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